No Permanent Friends: Trade, Power and the New Geography of Economic Security 

Trade used to be about efficiency. Now it’s increasingly about resilience, leverage and security. 

In the mid-season finale, host Marwa Abdou sits down with two of the world’s leading trade policy voices: Wendy Cutler, Vice President at the Asia Society Policy Institute, and former Acting Deputy U.S. Trade Representative following nearly three decades at USTR, and Deborah Elms, Head of Trade Policy at the Hinrich Foundation, and Founder of the Asian Trade Centre in Singapore. Together, they unpack how the global trading system is being rewritten in real-time as countries increasingly reorganize trade around resilience, strategic alignment and economic security. 

From China’s WTO accession to CUSMA, CPTPP, semiconductor chokepoints, industrial policy, friend-shoring and the rise of “mini trade deals,” this episode explores how trade became one of the defining geopolitical and economic stories of our time. Along the way, the conversation centres on a deeper question: If globalization was designed to reduce friction, what happens when the world starts optimizing for strategic insulation instead? 

Because trade is increasingly no longer just about what crosses borders; it’s about who countries believe they can depend on when pressure arrives.